1980-October-6 ? *

Turning Point
Carioca Club Worthing, Sussex, England

Disc 1 - 79.51
1 Track 1 10.02
2 Track 2 ** 1.38
3 Track 3 6.33
4 Track 4 9.31
5 Track 5 11.02
6 Track 6 1.04
7 Track 7 10.11
8 Track 8 9.38
9 Track 9 8.47
10 Track 10 11.22


Possible Lineup 1 (less likely):
Jeff Clyne Bass
Allan Holdsworth Guitar
Peter Lemer Voice, Keyboards
Brian Miller Keyboards
Paul Robinson Drums
Dave Tidball Sax

Possible Lineup 2 (most likely):
Neil Ardley Synth
Jeff Clyne Bass
Allan Holdsworth Guitar
Gary Husband Drums
Pepi Lemer *** Vocals
Brian Miller Keyboards
Phil Todd Sax, Flute


* Originally listed as being from 81-Dec. I cannot find
any evidence that Turning Point toured outside of 80-Oct,
much less in 81-Dec. It appears as though Turning Point
split up in late 1980.


** This track was originally part of track 1, even though it
is a separate song. Though it definitely seems like it is part of
the track that follows (track 3), it is not a clean transition between
them. It seems like something is missing. As a result, I left it as
its own track. Track 2 and 3 seem very familiar to me. I am not
very knowledgeable of Holdsworth�s songs, but it may be one
of his. I�m sure some Holdsworth fan could confirm or deny it.


*** Peter Lemer's wife


Jeff Clyne and Peter Lemer had previously played with Gilgamesh.


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Notes that came with this recording:

Here's another with less than stellar sound, but very rare, and
should be of great interest to Holdsworth fanatics. I'm not
really sure about the history of this line-up, wheather it was
an ongoing project or just a one-time only thing. What I do
know is that Turning Point were a lesser-known British fusion
band who recorded a couple of LP's in the 70's, here they are
joined by Holdsworth and play a few of the tunes that would later
surface on his first IOU album.


Notes from Calyx:

Jeff Clyne went on to form his own band, Turning Point, in early 1976
with his former Isotope bandmate, keyboardist Brian Miller. That band
gigged intensively in the UK and released two albums before splitting
up in late 1980. He is still active on the British jazz scene.

...

In parallel to these 'rock' activites, Holdsworth also kept busy on
the jazz scene : Sunbird (1980), another duet with Gordon Beck, led to
a British tour in 1980 with Jeff Clyne (bass) and Gary Husband (drums).
A little later, Holdsworth appeared with the same rhythm section as part
of Turning Point at the Bracknell Festival, also touring Britain with
them later in the year. Turning Point was a band led by ex-Isotope
members Clyne and Brian Miller (keyboards), but Holdsworth was offered
his own trio showcase during the gigs, with Clyne and Husband.


Notes from Aymeric (aka urich21), who I think is a main contributer
to Calyx (if not the main contributer):

Based on the info I have, the likely date for this is October 6th 1980.
This line-up debuted at the Bracknell Jazz Festival in July 1980, and
that one-off was extended to a tour throughout October 1980, of which
Cambridge was the second date. It is unclear whether the club's name is
spelt "Carioca" or "Karaoke".

...

Jeff Clyne: "[That final line-up] never recorded, which is a shame. What
happened was that the personnel was pretty much the same [as before],
except Dave Tidball went to the States, so we got Phil Todd, and
Paul Robinson was busy doing something else, so Gary Husband came in on
drums. I�d met Allan Holdsworth through other situations, doing some
free music, with John Stevens and John Taylor... I approached the
Arts Council about doing a tour. I sent a proposal, saying I�d like to do
the same band, but with guest artists - so we had Neil Ardley on
synthesizer and Allan Holdsworth on guitar. We did a tour with that group
for the Arts Council. Unfortunately that wasn�t recorded. And there was
a lot of material... At that time I wanted to get some work abroad with
the band and couldn�t... We just seemed to go as far as we could. It was
very frustrating. And I felt, 'That�s it, there�s no point'... Sort of
lost a bit of interest. I felt very frustrated at not being able to push
it any further. Also at that time I started playing the double bass again.
So that was almost the end of an era [for me], with that sort of music...".


Notes from neutron101 (via Dime post)

I have a programme from this tour (having caught a 80-Oct-19 lunchtime show
at the Strathallan Hotel - Birmingham, England) and the lineup is listed as:

Neil Ardley Synth
Jeff Clyne Bass
Allan Holdsworth Guitar
Gary Husband Drums
Pepi Lemer Vocals
Brian Miller Keyboards
Phil Todd Sax